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Learning Spanish the SLOW way...

6/10/2012

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So I was walking down the street ruminating on consonant shifts (like you do).

I had been reflecting on how useful the phrase ‘no hablo espanol’ has been for the last two months (!) when I fell to wondering about this strange verb ‘hablar’, meaning ‘to speak’. Why, like so many Spanish words, is it so unexpectedly different from the Latin, French and Italian (and apparently Catalan too)?

That was when consonant shifts came to mind.

Although ‘no hablo espanol’ is still about the most complex thing I can say in Spanish – (I know it’s pathetic but I’ve had to work all the time apart from weekends and some evenings since I got here (apart from when we were on holiday), and weekends and evenings have been busy, and there just hasn’t been time... but I promise I’ll start going to classes in November) – I have been listening, looking and learning about the language, and it has been fascinating.

I really knew virtually no Spanish at all when I came here – a dozen basic words at most – and, one way or another, I felt much less familiar with the sound and rhythms of Spanish than with French, Italian and German. However, I do now feel much more attuned to it (even though I can’t understand what people are saying to me if they go beyond ‘that will be 3 Euros please’), I do know lots of words (even if I can’t put any of them together), and I have been pondering it.

And one of the things I’ve been pondering is consonant shifts, especially around the letter ‘h’.

For instance, the Spanish word for ice cream is ‘helado’. It took me a while to realise that this is the same as Italian ‘gelato’, but with the ‘g’ becoming ‘h’. Then there’s ‘higado’, which is the Spanish word for ‘fig’. Here it’s the ‘f’ which becomes ‘h’. And ‘hijo’, which is the Spanish word for ‘son’ and is presumably derived from ‘filius’ in Latin – another ‘f’ to ‘h’ change. And another one: ‘horno’, meaning oven, related to ‘furnace’ and ‘forno’ in Italian.  And another one: ‘hongo’, meaning mushroom, related to ‘fungus’.

So, going back to the word ‘hablar’ Where does that come from? My first brainwave was that it might be related to ‘gabble’, but that seems unlikely because ‘gabble’ is almost certainly a Germanic word. So then I tried the f - - and what do you get? Fable! Mystery solved.

Ah. I do love etymology - and I am enjoying learning Spanish, the slow way...

6 Comments
James
6/10/2012 10:46:37 pm

Hi Gary! This was interesting! It led me to
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Spanish
where there is discussion of this and lots more.

(I'm making intermittent efforts to learn some Spanish at the moment since I have a trip to Argentina in November. I doubt I'll make any serious headway - definitely interesting to understand this kind of correspondence though!)

The Portuguese equivalent is "falar".

Hope all well with you and Pietro!

James

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Gary
6/10/2012 11:08:26 pm

Hi James. Good to hear from you. Yes, all is well here. Have fun in Argentina - always wanted to go there! Gary

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Pietro Roversi
6/10/2012 10:51:31 pm

Habulous!

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James
6/10/2012 11:15:42 pm

Here is something curious. Compared to Italian, Spanish often inserts an extra vowel in words like festa/fiesta, porta/puerta, petra/piedra, sempre/siempre. But with the names Pietro/Pedro, it's in reverse! I wonder how that came about?

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Gary
6/10/2012 11:24:21 pm

I was just reading the same thing in the Wikipedia article.... It's strange too that Spanish, which seems to elide things rather than expand them, should have expanded those words.... An the mysteries of language.

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Gary
6/10/2012 11:24:58 pm

I meant 'Ah' not 'An'...




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